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I'm about to buy a new supermini brand I want something reliable and fun to drive, I thought on Japanese cars I've heard they're the most reliable by far The problem is that I hate them inside and is essentially pretty ugly regarding German vehicles - well, I can not afford golf and heard that the Polo is quite unreliable, therefore, I came across the Peugeot 207 I love everything my only problem is the bad press French cars receive Not to mention the recent Topgear satisfaction survey - Peugeot came last suggestions.
I had once again to 306 and had endless problems and had to sell 50k miles before I do not know, I'll return to in a hurry Frenchie.
My only problem is the bad press French cars receive Not to mention the recent satisfaction survey Topgear - Peugeot came last.
I guess you do not live in the West Midlands - Peugeot is not a tour of popular brand here these days.
Regarding the investigation Top Gear, apply the usual pinch of salt It's self-selecting group took viewers of a program whose audience is certainly see other son hardly a representative sample of the population car buying I suspect that Top Gear Peugeot driver observation include a large proportion who were issued with a Peugeot for work and do not like this principle; the same can also be true for other consumer brands.
Although I suspect the evil, the survey is not a random sample and properly monitored and is at best a piece of evidence among many that you could take your sample - cars on the hard shoulder pending the AA I guess you find many of Renault and a surprising number of Volkswagens before reaching Peugeots.
207 ben out since 06 June and the only question that I know is the pilot window the channel had to be realigned certain my experience, they seem to be consistent with the build quality and the French cars will seem to be much better than previous models.
I have always been wary of French cars with their build quality and reliability issues, however, the recent series of new models of Citroen, Renault and Peugeot have made me think again with the C4, Clio and we have 207 3 cars that look good, have decent interiors seem built to last with the latest crop of new city cars, the 207 is right up there at the top, it bodes well for future models of these companies.
While I partially agree with wildebeest and comments Top Gear, all other customer surveys, including JD Power and that always mark the French badly for reliability and service that I fear the French words and reliability simply go together in the automotive world.
I think you're going to have to prioritize your criteria and then decide if you want reliability you buy and Jap do with the looks and you want to buy fashionable and European and join a good club troubleshooting.
My views on everything from French reliability is that most of what is bad Electrics Renault appear to have had a very bad time with unreliable engines and transmissions a few years, but this can be solved now Pug Citroen mechanicals are pretty robust, not as bad as some earn them to be, but i want absolute reliability and find that Japanese Korean cars offer something closer to the ideal that any European who goes to German.
Anyway, what I'm saying is just do not buy a Renault.
Yes - it is true that on almost all the reliability and owner satisfaction survey, the French cars come at or near the bottom and top Japanese.
But what this means is say 95 Japanese cars are flawless for the first five years of life, while only say 85 the French are Get a Japanese car, and there is still a small chance that you might have Register problems for french and there is a good chance you will not.
I drive cars that are pretty near the bottom of the satisfaction survey owner JD Power 2006, but I did not regret.
French cars can give good service provided that the distributor is responsible, however, for without problems then lead Japanese automotive ultimate pack Another great benefit of a Japanese car is that when things go wrong, they are relatively easy Lift the lid to fix a Jap car and real thought has been devoted to the layout making routine maintenance and easy maintenance generally speaking death of course there are always exceptions My Renault, despite ' be a beautiful car I am very happy, is a curse for anything almost.
I echo XILENO comments on the Yaris service is easy peasy The Peugoet 106 - I know, but typical - is in some aspects of its design - especially the front discs - and changing light bulbs aside - a real PIA.
Designed for service is an expression apparently UNKNOWN in the middle of French design My local garage agree they think and Decrees French cars are horrible to work vs. Ford and Toyota and Subaru and they work on anything from a roll HRG MADF.
I have always tended to prefer European cars as they seem to have an element of character to them for me, the japanesse lacking soul and cars are only wheels in white goods.
I have owned several Peugeots and Citroens have never let me down far the worst car in recent memory was a VW Sharan, I'm happy to get rid of it.
Another great benefit of a Japanese car is that when things go wrong, they are relatively easy to fix Lift the lid on a Jap car and real thought went into the layout makes routine maintenance and servicing easy death in general of course, there are always exceptions My Renault, despite being a beautiful car I am very happy, is a curse for anything almost.
Totally agree with what my father Laguna, for all he was reliable and did wrong once, the complexity of this car is completely useless compared to my two Nissans, or the Hyundai that I 'had until recently, which is very similar to Mitsubishi, these cars are simple to a fault, and I do not care how boring people say, the fact that they are a very rarely wrong, and b are dead easy to put right when something breaks, means that I am unlikely to buy anything else.
I almost bought a Citroën Xsara HDi, but the thought of having to change the 10K set me cambelt later completely on the Hyundai, it's a simple job and will cost about 80 a Backstreet Garage On the HDi you must replace half a dozen other pieces and hell of a job, it ends up costing nearly 400, I can see many of these cars being vandalized in the beginning because it is not worth changing the belt, they re allowed to run until they shame go.
Laguna, the complexity of the car my father is totally unnecessary.
Why is it important if it was reliable and did wrong once.
On the HDi, replace half a dozen other pieces and it's a hell of a job, it ends up costing closer to 400.
Odd, because we had done earlier cambelt our Xantia HDi because our local independent said he would do for 120 while in service.
By the way, on 6 Citroën diesel we have had since 1987 and up to 170K miles the only other work outside cambelt changes we made on engines is some 2 sets of 4 glow plugs I guess we must have been very lucky cos the only electrical faults are a new starter motor on a 120k BX 12 disjointed, mounted by me outside the rambling so I can exchange old, a few blisters and a fault with taillights cured by unscrewing the body grounding wire, squirt with WD40 and tighten the ground wire Oh well, next time must buy the Japanese for greater reliability, and forget the benefits of this fantastic suspension Citroen more half a million miles - Phil.
Why is it important if it was reliable and did wrong once.
Because eventually something is bound to go wrong inevitable in a car, and I prefer a car where there is less risk of expensive repair is strange, because we had done earlier cambelt our Xantia HDi because our independent local said it would for 120 while in service.
Yes, but from what I hear HDi needs replacing other parts along the water pump, etc. and pretensioners if the cambelt is not done, a water pump down can still ransack the motor These problems do not affect the engines to Hyundai and Nissan Nissan is the cam chain anyway incidentally, 6 Citroën diesel we have had since 1987 and up to 170K miles the only other work apart cambelt changes we had done on the engines is some 2 sets of 4 glow plugs.
The fact that I almost bought a Citroën to demonstrate that I t disrepect reliable cars In any case, there are about 5-10 years Citroens weren t charge of unnecessary electronic gadgets in the main I d have a new Citroën they re appearing cheap and relatively simple with a few other French cars, but I would not give you a thank you for Renault.
Well, I don t intend to get with you on this chatter, and I'm just from personal experience that does not reflect the general experiences of other, however, we had timing belts on our repelced high mileage Cits twice on the 170k one, once the 140k one and once on the 95k HDi and I can not remember anything in what was said or what appeared on the bill suggested that any water pump or pretensioners have been replaced perhaps pretensioners were included automatically, but I seem to recall, far people more knowledgeable than me on posts here, tensioners, water pumps and belts on XUD and HDi engines are not known weaknesses as for your statement that finally something is bound to go wrong inevitable in a car, and I would rather have a car where there is less risk of a repair loved, I must say that in my experience it ain t much point in thinking like that all our Cits were traded before this costly repairs took place - and as they did the mileages listed above, they have served us well for a minimal cost and superb ride regarding unnecessary electronic gadgets, even our 1983 BX had electric windows, central locking, alarm, etc., and 2000 Xantia HDi Exclusive my woman has a more electronic equipment than you could shake a stick at automatic wipers, heated seats, electric mirrors all windows, air conditioning, sunroof, CD changer, headlamp washers, and probably other things that I 'have yet to discover - and all still work Anyway, we all make choices for different reasons, and I have no intention of suggesting that my choices are more val ideas as yours Enjoy your motoring Cheers - Phil.
I felt that the Peugeot 207 was made in Slovakia and the Toyota Yaris in France.
I had a 207 as a courtesy car recently he feels much more solid and spacious as you would expect I hated the sound of whining engine not sure that she and I could not make head the tail or the computer - I'm generally comfortable with gadgets.
His best feature was plenty of space for my size 12 feet If I was looking for a new car that I would now t dismisses out of hand.
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