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You stand for them and TVM you are right to a point.
The acid test will be how your VW holds few years.
La Laguna that I had to put up with in the last 7 months was appalling and was one of the factors to find me another job where a name change in this forum.
I can now push the ignition map through the housing and beyond the point of no return with the table edge bad fit and finish and the plastic that dishonor a childs toy.



Everything rattles, seat, cup holder, ashtray and high bit the dashboard are the key.
To ensure they are safe, but many times I would have swapped star ENCAP for reliability gremlins elecrical there were almost daily minor such as windows that choose to stop working for some time adhesion the engine to 2000 rpm that climbs a steep hill on a double track occupied.
On my sisters Laguna engine had to be replaced after 2 years.
Various other now those of my old work had defects such as 4 gearboxes on the same vehicle in 2 years a new box never out of the repair shop.



The various pugs that I will drive were good, but again you know there are better cars for the same tax on the cash market.
Therefore given the choice I will never again have a Renault.
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My point is, however good or bad French cars I found out during the last ten years to buy something you really want is guaranteed to bring misery It is also a waste of your hard earned.



With Renaults they look good on the outside and given a choice I could well have chosen a legacy before it.
Its only when you have spent much time in a car that you can start to see the flaws and when we know that other manufacturers can do better for the same money company car tax rate or less, it becomes a problem.
I've done 60k miles from new in a XUD engine 405 drachmas not turbo.
Engine ground wire was cut ventilation system clogged fuel tank with something that seemed to escape the French experience Quatermass probably cook.
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I often mention this every time this happens.
I'm not the biggest fan of French cars, but my companion Clio 172 was hammered an inch of it's life and not one thing went wrong a sidelight bulb bar will when I mean hammered, I mean hammered often revving in neutral enough to hit it often liked to take off on the humpbacked bridge from time to time too.
Remember, I've seen say before special seems to be built very well.
If you want to stifle creativity and innovation in the design office.
OK, I'll remove the part you don t agree with, and develop the rest.
In my experience one of the things that can lead to inferior products these days is enabling designers to employers too much power too soon especially if they use the computer-aided design CAD, without first insisting they acquire a sense of dimensional measurement and experience coming through the ranks being able to run a CAD computer is not enough to make a good designer encourages poorly proportioned designs which are then scramble up the step of producing by simultaneous engineering process.



Let me give you an example, I have a gas mower, the engine that was made by a company widely regarded as little eminently trustworthy after I got the carburetor began to flee from one room to another because the diaphragm was removed from between one of the clamping land and diaphragm had to be replaced the technician said that the opportunities they had to replace the diaphragm on brand new machines self same reason they gave me the original diaphragm back and the problem was immediately evident.
The width of the sealing land was much too narrow, and hardly diaphragm coupled with the metal parts it was quite clear that the designer was young, had little experience of the real world of engineering and no sense the extent whatsoever.
But probably was adept at using CAD computer to produce a very complex form had given him too much power and responsibility too soon, I'm not him, I am blame blame her employer for not insisting fact that practical experience of engineering products before giving it free rein.
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It was quite clear that the designer was young, how on earth gods can you draw that conclusion.
I think I just have to accept that I am not articulate enough to be able to get my point and I'll leave it at that - The Snail.
I think I know what you get - I think we've all seen examples of naff design I would stop short of saying that it is an age thing or experience that many people talk about having X years of experience, but really is a year of the value of the repeated X times experience.
Poor designs I've seen are where designers of all ages aren t effectively managed by the engineers good systems and where imagination has not been used enough in defining qualification acceptance testing.



For the benefit of those who do not know the distinction, systems engineers are the ones doing performance analysis, and understand how things really work They ask the designers to provide a physical interpretation of this.
In other words, designers understand 3D geometry, and availability of standard off the parts of the continental shelf, and how things could be made on the floor of the store, but tend not to be able to do the stress calculations necessary and or performance to give the design a fighting chance to spend his qualification acceptance testing.
It seems that people have different ideas about what makes a car a good buy or not only because a little trim falls not do in my humble opinion, there is a bad car Moons, we had a succession Allegro that leaves us never fall in more than 60k miles Maybe we had a reliable ever made, but no one would have suggested that we buy; don t ask why we did I think JD Power and other surveys gives the facts, just watch where French cars appear in these investigations.
Simply navigate through this threadit seems that Renault seems to have attracted most of the flack here It seems that Peugeot Citroën and attract much less compliant.
A friend of ours had a 51 laguna plate he was tempted because it was cheap, it has a benefit via his company to spend on a car up to 3 years Apparently, it was just young enough to qualify.
After running a little time and suffering all the problems in the book, he realized that Lagunas was cheap for a reason.



Result, he was shot and bought a property 05 reg Mondeo.
In response to the original question, Renault are a bunch of crap, was lucky owner TVM IMO, Citroen and Peugeot are two brands I would seriously consider.
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There are some Renaults that seem to more problems Laguna MK1 example was considered a rather difficult mk2 work horse that followed left the factory before it is fully cooked but IMHO in 2003 , most issues were also classified the engine 2 2dCi seems to have more problems than the 1 9 and early pre 2000 automatic transmissions do not seem to be particularly durable.
From Table reliability Auto Express 2006, the last ten cars contain three Renaults Renaults but two of these are now obsolete models If you look at the New Scenic 79 in position and not a result Grat it is true, he is ahead two Mercedes and Saab will be intersting to see what the table next year throws up once the new Clio and new Laguna show their faces.
As for Peugeot, if this survey is anything to go by, then it seems the 307 is one to avoid.


I still believe that these investigations gift t distinguish between a car that can be unreliable and is inconvenient Any thought.
Regarding 2005 JD Power survey for manufacturers, the difference between the industry average and the bottom was not a huge amount, just over five percent, that's all.
Ford had only just above the industry average and only 2 1 above Renault, which were in fact over just Citroën and Peugeot of 2 2 These surveys are always presented as the true standard products industry, it seems to me that if it can not be ignored that the French cars regularly occupy the lower half of the tables of these surveys, a little consideration of the results is often necessary.
While I have the figures of the above investigation before me, the Laguna scored 77 2 to 79 7 s Mondeo, not a huge difference, despite the 31 places difference in the table for individual models.



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